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of the things that bill moi moyers says it's not like corporations like the n.f.l. in this case, it's not like they are making phone calls to people saying don't talk about it. back down, you know, that kind of expressit pressure. it's more like the bill moyers talks about the abstract parameters around journalists where they sense where the boundaries are supposed to be for respectable discourse. you don't need that kind of crack of the whip. it's internalized by the journalists, themselves. i'm sorry. go ahead. >> i was going to say, when i was looking forward to talking about this and i am glad you are here, when i looked and saw bob costas had given this follow-up, the second interview, i was disappointed because i have been in that situation never with this high a profile, myself before you say something, and, you know, you have got to stick to your -- well, i started to say -- >> i hear you. >> bill: you have to stand up and not back down. right? i think people respect you for more that. >> zirin: i agree. >> to listen before you critique. i watched the
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